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Tubus Logo Evo Specifications . . .
This may be the best pure cross-country touring rack ever made for the true world traveler!
SIZE: The Logo evo only comes in a One-Size-Fits-All 26"/700C size. Europeans often use 28" to mean 700C. So in some places you may see the 26"/28" designation for the Logo evo. Since the panniers ride lower on the side of the rack, the top of the rack does not determine pannier height. So Tubus makes the top of the rack tall enough for most 26" and 700C touring tires. If your bike requires a taller size, say for the new 29er mountain bike tires, there is a Logo Classic 29'er rack that is taller, and there is an optional adapter for the 29er Logo Classic that adds even more height if necessary. Ask us for details, as the page for the Logo Classic 29er is still under construction. Some websites are mistakenly calling the Logo Classic 29er rack an "evo" rack, but that is not the case ‒ it has the classic Logo dropout.
COLOR CHOICES: We have the Logo evo in Black or Silver. Silver is now available for the first time ever in the USA. We also have the Silver Tara front rack in stock ‒ also new to the USA. If Silver is your color, then the Silver Logo evo rear racks and Silver Tara front racks are your only choices. Well, you can also choose the Stainless Steel Tubus Cosmo rear and Tubus Nova front racks, or the titanium Tubus Logo Titan rear rack. They are the natural unpainted colors of the metals used, and rather silvery in appearance. None of the other Black painted racks are available in Silver. Sorry, I can't even special order them.
CARRYING CAPACITY: The Tubus Logo evo's rated capacity is 88 lbs. If you find a higher rated capacity (hard to do), it will be unrealistic, as this is more weight than one should usually carry on a touring bike. The carrying capacity is in no way a recommendation for how much you should carry on the back of a touring bike, but it does give you an idea that this rack can stand up to some serious use! If you are headed out for a long distance, heavily loaded tour, the extra rated capacity could be the difference between a smooth tour or a breakdown.
CLICK HERE to see ADAPTERS and Fit Solutions for a variety of rack fitting problems, including extra-small bikes that need extra-long upper rack mounting stays to reach the seatstay fittings, mounting front racks on forks without mid-fork rack fittings, heel clearance problems with panniers due to short chainstay length, mounting racks on race bikes or bikes without rack mounting fittings, and more.
More Tubus Logo evo Information . . .
Now that the specifications are out of the way, below is more information than you ever thought you needed to know about the Logo evo rear rack. The length of this description is a direct result of being repeatedly asked about everything below!
EVO MOUNTING SYSTEM: The evo series racks have the best mounting system I have seen. Instead of the standard twisted steel brackets that only adjust forward and back, the evo racks have a special system that adjusts forward and back AND side to side, so you can perfectly level and align your rack. An evo rack fits a wide variety of frame sizes and geometries, and is easy to set up.
The evo racks have a simple alternate, lighter weight method for mounting the upper rack stays that eliminates the top mounting plate. You can attach the upper rack stays to the inside or outside of the small L-shaped plate near the top front of the rack. See the diagram above for the alternate mount. The diagram above shows the inner mount. You can also mount it to the outside of L-shaped plates.
The Logo evo has and extra pair of lower side-rails so you can carry the panniers lower on the side of the rack. You will have a lower center of gravity with the load. On some bikes, there can be an noticeable improvement in bike handling. With some pannier designs, you will gain heel clearance because you can push the panniers back farther on the rack. Be careful! Excessive heel clearance is unnecessary, and sometimes bad for bike handling. Please read a discussion of heel clearance near the bottom of this page.
An additional advantage to the lower side rails, especially great for small women, is that lower panniers make it easier to get on and off the bike. If the panniers are lower it is easier to swing your leg up and over the load when getting on an off the bike. If you have a lateral pack sitting on top of your rear panniers, bedroll style, the top of the pack system is lower if the panniers are lower.
One of the first questions I get about the Tubus Logo evo is how it compares to the previous Tubus Logo Classic. Here are the highlights . . .
The new Logo evo racks have the new and improved Tubus 3D Dropout. It is stronger, with an offset to the inside that spaces the lower ends of the vertical tubes away from your bike's seatstays. See the Tubus 3D offset dropout in the third row of photos above.
The upper rack mounting stays have a greater range of adjustments. The clamping mechanism is lighter in weight, yet every bit as secure, if not more so.
A pre-finish is applied to the steel tubes before powder-coating, making the tubes even more rust-resistant.
The taillight mounting bracket is wider and stronger. The mounting holes on the taillight mounting bracket are 50mm apart -- about 2 inches (50.8mm equal 2").
The Logo evo has small "stops" added to the back of the lower side-rail to limit pannier hook movement to the rear of the rack.
Note that the 4D Toplight Taillight is NOT a good fit on the Logo evo.
Ortlieb panniers are a GREAT choice for the Logo evo.
Logo evo vs. Cargo evo . . .
What are the main differences between the Logo evo and Cargo evo, and why choose one over the other?
They are only about 2 ounces apart in weight, so you should only look at the benefits of one rack vs. the other. In other words, are the features in the Logo worth the 2 ounce weight difference?
Some customers who have very large feet may benefit from extra heel clearance. The rearmost pannier mounting position on the Logo can move panniers farther behind your heels. But you should read the pannier heel clearance discussion below before deciding on a Logo evo for heel clearance reasons.
The lower side-rails on a Logo carry the panniers lower, so the center of gravity of the load is lower. On some bikes with a shorter wheelbase this may help provide a more stable ride with a load -- the bike may not feel quite as top heavy.
When the pannier hooks are mounted on the lower side-rails of the Logo evo, the TOPS of the panniers are also lower, so if you get on and off of your bike by swinging your leg up and over the load behind the saddle, you will find it easier to get on and off of your bike. This can be a real advantage for a 5 foot tall rider who is getting on and off of a bike with the same height rear wheel and rack as a 6 foot tall rider. And if you have a top-pack lying across the top of your panniers, the top-pack will also be lower -- again it easier to get on and off the bike, and providing a center of gravity for the top-pack.
Though the Logo evo and the Cargo evo have the same rated carrying capacity, the Cargo evo is the strongest and stiffest rear rack design. The center vertical tubes slant inward, giving the Cargo evo the most lateral rigidity. The top platform of the Cargo evo is wider, and the side-rails are parallel. The larger top platform area works better if you are using a rectangular "rack trunk" with a built-in mounting system, and more top platform area makes it easier to strap on bags that don't have a built-in mounting system. The Cargo is one of the most versatile "haul-anything" rack designs. It is true that panniers that are carried a little higher on a Cargo rack will have a higher center of gravity, but on a long wheelbase touring bike that is built to handle well with a top-heavy load, you can effectively lower your center of gravity by paying attention to how you load your panniers, generally placing your heavier items in the bottom of your panniers, and lighter weight gear on top. For most touring bikes, the center of gravity difference between the Logo evo and Cargo evo is not a great worry. There is not a clear winner here.
Sometimes your panniers help you decide which rack to get. Some older or more traditionally designed panniers with little or no adjustments in the mounting system simply fit better on the Cargo evo than the Logo evo. Our Lone Peak panniers are a great fit on the Cargo evo. Lone Peak Panniers do not fit well on the Logo evo.
The Logo evo has greater lateral tire clearance than the Cargo evo. It is a better fit on bikes like the Salsa Fargo that run very wide tires.
The Logo evo may be the best pure cross-country touring rack ever made for the true world traveler. But on my Cargo evo page I say the following about the Cargo evo . . . "The Cargo evo is great for the all-around cyclist, the bicycle tourist, commuter, grocery shopper, the carry-anything rider -- a rack-of-all-trades so to speak. If I had to pick just one Tubus rack as a favorite for ALL uses, the Cargo evo might be the one!"
Pannier Heel Clearance Discussion . . .
How much heel clearance does one need? . . . not much! For best bike handling you want the weight in your panniers over, or in front of, your rear axle. Adjust your panniers forward until they are as close as you can get to your heels without feeling like they are crowding your heels.
Who are likely to have heel clearance issues? There is a simple rule that works almost all of the time. A smaller rider has smaller feet, smaller shoes, and GREATER heel clearance. I OFTEN get people who ride small frame bicycles asking for the Tubus Logo because they want to be sure they have adequate heel clearance. The logic they use is that with a smaller bike, the rack will be sitting closer to their heels. This is not the case. First . . . some bicycle anatomy . . . the chainstays are the tubes that run from the crank to the rear axle, almost parallel to the bicycle chain. The chainstays are measured from the center of the crank to the center of the rear axle. OK, regardless of the bicycle frame size, small or large, the chainstays have to be long enough to accommodate the rear wheel. A 26'' or 700C wheel does not change in diameter as the bike frame gets smaller. The main triangle of the frame, the riding position, and the step-over height gets smaller, but that chainstay length is nearly constant throughout the range of frame sizes. Duo to smaller average shoe size, it is rare for a female customer to have heel clearance issues. With good quality racks and panniers on on bikes with medium or longer chainstay length, heel clearance issues are rare for men who have shoe sizes 13 or smaller.
Another factor that can cause heel clearance issues: One of the most common causes of heel clearance issues is surprisingly overlooked . . . your HEELS! If you have a bike that is set up with toe clips or platform pedals without clips, you may be riding in non-cycling shoes. Running shoes, walking shoes, and a wide variety of other street shoes have very large heels that often extend 1-2 inches behind the heels of your feet within your shoes. If you will wear cycling specific shoes that have minimal walking soles, and rounded heel cups, you will gain a lot of heel clearance, because your soles will not extend very far behind your feet.
If you want to get very technical, having adequate heel clearance is a function of a LOT of different factors including shoe size, shoe design, chainstay length, rack design, pannier design, pannier hook adjustments, lower rack mounting eyelet location (forward, above or behind rear axle), crank-arm length, pedals, shoe cleat position or toe-clip adjustment, and some I forgot to mention. So this is why you may want to take it on faith that with good equipment you are unlikely to have heel clearance issues unless you have a very short wheelbase racing bike or REALLY BIG feet. Bottom line . . . it is not always possible to know if you will have heel clearance issues without mounting your rack and panniers and going for a ride!
If I have a customer who is worried about heel clearance because they have had a previous problem with heel clearance, it is almost always because their bike had a poor quality rack, or they had rectangular baskets or shopping bag panniers that were very wide at the bottom with no angle on the lower leading corner for heel clearance . . . or the pannier mounting system was incorrectly adjusted . . . or they were riding a racing bicycle with an extremely short chainstay length combined with large feet . . . or they were using poorly designed panniers . . . or there was a combination of all of these things.
I get asked about heel clearance issues almost every day, but less than 10% off my customers will have heel clearance issues. About 90% of my customers worry about heel clearance issues. Good rack and pannier manufacturers know that people with feet will be riding their bicycles, and they know their racks and panniers won't be used if people's feet hit the panniers. So most racks and panniers are designed so that most people can use them without heel clearance issues.
If you are riding a long wheelbase touring bike, or medium length cross bike, it is very unlikely that you will truly need the extra heel clearance available in the Logo evo, so if you like the larger top platform of the Cargo evo, or the minimalist design of the Vega evo, those racks will likely provide you all the heel clearance you need.
We carry great racks and panniers, and few of our customers will have heel clearance issues. Our Ortlieb panniers have great built-in heel clearance adjustments. Our Long Peak panniers have a generous angle cut off of the lower leading corner of the panniers to give most riders adequate heel clearance. If you have worries about heel clearance, let me know, and I can help. If you buy panniers and have heel clearance issues, let me know. I can often help solve the problem by suggesting adjustments. Thanks! Wayne
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